The named names thread

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  1. jasn

    jasn Well-Known Member Donor Top Poster

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    Gal Gadot says she will not be involved in Wonder Woman 2 if Brett Ratner is involved.

    As per David's much earlier comment, we're full on into McCarthyism territory here.
     
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    jenny-mccarthy-getty-pp.jpg

    Have you ever associated with a known communist or communist sympathizer or attended a rally or communist organization meeting?!
     
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    Do you still beat your wife in the evening
     
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    CJ Bronze Member Admin Top Poster

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    Yeah, another mild shocker.
     
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    I am not saying Al Franken is innocent, but I worry that his case demonstrates the next trend in political hit-jobs: Want to get someone out of office? Find a person who will say he/she was inappropriately touched sometime in the past, and watch the "shame machine" do its work. Unless, of course, you are the President.

    That reminds me of a Michael Landon TV show from the 90's: "Inappropriately Touched by an Angel"
     
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    There is photo evidence of Franken at least being inappropriate and multiple accusers now.

    It is a slippery slope. We've basically spent the last... infinity doubting and even blaming and shaming victims. Are we over correcting? It is very possible. The reality is, it is and will always remain difficult to prove these kinds of accusations. Short of physical evidence of rape, it is almost always he-said, she-said. So once the dust settles from #metoo we will revert to the historical standard of 90% of victims not stepping forward and 95% of perpetrators facing no consequences.

    I do think there is starting to be serous legal consideration given for false accusations finally.

    Escort Halina Khan accused police officer of raping her | Daily Mail Online

    Denison woman who made up kidnapping, rape indicted

    Woman convicted of fabricating gang rape charged with fleeing deputies

    'Anybody's worst nightmare': Woman fined $4,000 over sex assault lie against taxi driver

    Jury orders blogger to pay $8.4 million to ex-Army colonel she accused of rape
     
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    I've seen photographic evidence of comedian Al Franken participating in comedy skits about sexual misconduct... but let's not quibble because I likely haven't seen everything since I don't really follow these tabloid stories. I am happy to read about consequences from false accusations, and I was happy to read about real journalists doing their jobs rather than taking some bait being fed them about Roy Moore by a political operative, but I worry that there may be a "cry wolf" over-reaction happening now and in the future. Like I said earlier, whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? I know if it was me, I'd want my day in court.
     
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    For the famous people I'm less sympathetic. Call me a hypocrite. NBC needs to protect their brand by firing Matt Lauer if the accusations are even remotely credible. Matt Lauer has the means to sue NBC if the accusations are not true for breach of contract and possibly defamation. That's a risk NBC has to take.

    For your average Joe who is fired from his corporate job, I'm obviously more sympathetic, but I also feel like that happens less frequently because in many cases, no one will ever know because they are not high profile. These firings of celebrities absent a conviction or even indictment are a different animal IMO.

    The news media is doing us no favors. It is full-on an entertainment industry. Donald Trump is a horrible person and should not be president, but he was not wrong about "fake news." The media has lost its moral compass. They report on a sensational story and if it turns out to be false, oh well. You get no clicks from a retraction story so why bother. That's why I follow r/pussypassdenied and r/hatecrimehoaxes on reddit. While SOME of the denizens of these subs are truly deplorable, they are great sources for the false rape claim stories and the follow-ups where you find out the black guy painted ni--er on his own car and two jewish guys painted swastikas on campus - stories the MSM would never run follow-up on. (note: there are a shocking number of hate crime hoaxes as well).
     
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    News as entertainment has always been a problem. Read the wonderful biography of Edward R Murrow ("His Life and Times") or watch the movie "Network" or "Citizen Kane" or research the history of yellow journalism. But it has gotten MUCH worse with the advent of cable news, who set up their own echo chambers of self-reinforcing 24-hour a day nonsense to capture specific audiences. And so-called mainstream press falls into the sensationalism trap because they have to sell ad copy/commercials. The television networks have become jokes.

    Conspiracy theories and hoaxes and fake news appeal to consumers, apparently more than does simple facts or well-researched reporting. It increases revenue. And in today's world that is all that seems to matter.

    There are of course exceptions to this nonsense, and they occur in sometimes surprising places. Even Fox (Faux) News sometimes hits on truth. But it remains a fact that mainstream news agencies like the NY Times, Wash Post, and Wall St Journal seem to maintain a higher level of integrity than most. NPR and PBS remain the least biased broadcast agencies. And there are others with high standards. But even they have their commercial tendencies and their falls into sensationalism. They have to, it's the world we live in.

    Until we can get the drive for money out of every damn aspect of American life this will remain the case. But I do not see that happening any time soon.
     
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    My perception is any media channel who doesn't have as much to gain from being first or loudest seems to be at least slightly better. I've quit watching any news and haven't listened to NPR in 6 months. I get news from aggregation sites like reddit and twitter. For all their negatives there can be some real positives. For example on r/news and r/worldnews on reddit if an article gets posted and some facts are wrong, someone will call it out, often with sources, and that comment will get upvoted to the top. It happens an impressive amount and it is heartening.
     
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    For years...way before this latest, horribly bifurcated and discordant dialog we are suffering through, I've seen MSM playing the role as the third leg on a lopsided stool for every issue. The MSM wants you to be upset about the opposing side, for whichever issue you feel strongly about, and worry that your "adversary" is "winning". That way you keep coming back to your favorites sources to see if they are still winning. They will probably imply they are so your angst will remain high and you will come back yet again for another whack to your psyche. This gets played from both sides, and very effectively. We've been feed this "news" approach for years.

    Call me cynical...? Hell yeah, but increasingly sad over this tactic as well.
     
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    I am not condoning Franken's behaviour. However..

    Only those who elected him have the right to decide whether he should stay or go. Dems are being stupid - they are committing suicide.
     
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    I think the Dems are setting themselves up to take the high road for Moore and that other guy...
     
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    Or shooting themselves in the foot, as usual...
     
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    If you listen to his speech with a skeptical or even an anti-Franken ear, you can hear multiple qualifications inserted such as "some of these allegations..." And he doesn't apologize at all.
     

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