I have both in vinyl. I bought the Telarc 1812 as soon as it came out, circa 1979-80 I think. Most TT arms would simply jump off the cannon shot grooves, which as I described it then as Boston streets after the spring thaw. I played the LP recently I had to turn down the sub-woofer volume the voice coil was hitting its limits. Subwoofer if calibrated well should not be heard under normal music listening conditions. Boston Pops with Arthur Fiedler July 4 concert at the hatch shell, the finale, 1812 with real cannons and fire works over the Charles River was the place to be in the 1970s when I was there. Specially if you could be on a boat in the water.